First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. Caller: Oh hi. David Erler says some of them probably have. For over 38 years the Saddleback Mountain Lions have offered people a chance to give back to their community. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . Well within there. They sent he sent his scent those two samples with his to Wyoming an unfortunate Fish and Game Commission there did not get a positive read on it but send it back to Central Michigan University where they did a nuclear micro satellite DNA analysis and found no significant difference between that scat and other scats that were tested from the Rocky Mountain region. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. I'll send it to you. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. Phone number 1 800. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. John. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. By Eric Orff. No doubt in my mind it was. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 I just want to tell you a story that I read. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. 44-H Links. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. Is that typically what was happening there. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Really appreciate it. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. About Us Media Kit Calendar of Events Volunteer Visit Learn Events Membership Support Your Visit BUY TICKETS Know Before You Go Directions and Information Our Animals Live Animal Exhibit Trail Hours and Admission Calendar of Events We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. 1,470 likes. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. Caller: Yeah. Mountain Lions in NH - Facebook Or years or so. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. These were normal everyday folks. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. What do you think that. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. Tell us your story. Rick van de Poll: Yes. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. Erler is a senior naturalist at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. I'm Peter Biello. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Monadnock Ledger-Transcript - Claims of mountain lions spread From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. Tim Yeah. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. Okay. Like why would you want one wildlife. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. It's bigger but bigger and better world. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. We'll push great photos to the front page. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. NH Wildlife News and Info | NH Wildlife Ecosystem Management Consultants of New England, Ask Sam, and recently fielded question about mountain lions, 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020, We also hear excerpts from an interview with, Read about the most recent cougar "sightings". I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at [email protected]. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. 1957. Patrick Tate: Well. You know interactions are pretty unusual. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. There's a lot of photographs that you can see that it's very clearly a tabby cat that someone has thought was a mountain lion. Peter Biello: Well yeah. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Let us know your story and share your photos! And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Administrative Links. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. Thank you. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. List of mountains of New Hampshire - Wikipedia Peter Biello: Ok. They're just moving around freely. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. I think that you probably are. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Why do people keep seeing mountain lions (which aren't here) but not If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or [email protected] to request an observation report form. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. So do they. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. It's you know I recognized their report and. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Less successful males roam further. New Hampshire Public Radio | Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. So so. The supervisor that hired me in the game division in October of 1978 passed on to me this whole big folder of mountain lion information and sightings going back probably a couple decades. A lot of times. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. How many mountain lions are in New Hampshire? - AnswersAll Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. So it's there was no question in my mind. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. No I saw a camel. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at [email protected]. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR.