Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. The two are completely unrelated. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. Whats wrong with a tract rack? I must forgive others the same way God forgave me. The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. Then you have churches with no standards . Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. For example, #54. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. 26 You blind Pharisee! The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. Gods will was for me to forgive. You might 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us I had my part. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. Is there any perfect , no. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Baptists believe the Bible and strive to live according to its teaching. I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. Well I am a little confused. 5. Come and join. Hypocrites! I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. We believe that the ecumenical movement is a demonic attempt to unite all Christian denominations around experience to the disregard of biblical doctrine. My jabs are defensive in nature. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. Some of these are very much right on the money. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. Not of works, lest any man should boast. The members were so sweet to us. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. 26. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. 4. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. Only God decides who goes to heaven and who doesnt. They are already spelled out in the Bible. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. Thank God for grace! Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. We believe in salvation by grace If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. 42. You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. 6. People can ask for clarification if they want. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. We told to get married. 20 When you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. Care to elaborate, provide examples? Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. What a stupid thing to say. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) I will have to argue that while on vacation we just go to church somewhere else rather than dashing home. 28. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? Thats sweet. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. While God hates divorce, but we should help those who are divorce so they can grow spiritually. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. around the world wherever our Lord directs. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). All I do is reply to comments. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. N/A On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. 2. 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I dont deserve Gods forgiveness or even my husbands forgiveness. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. XII. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. N/A The thing is, its so insidious, you dont really realize its happening until youre firmly entrenched. Its about Jesus. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. I love devotions with the Lord. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. God works in mysterious ways. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. If I have misunderstood I apologize. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. 39. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. Their testimony is great Im sure they won more people to the lord than you. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! I can not forgive sins! It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. Did you read it? [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. 48. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence They had made an idol out of church attendance. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. We will never attain that on this side. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. You can read more about it here: https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, I never said the IFB is a cult because some IFB churches may not be the best. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. Im mocking IFB beliefs many of which arent scriptural. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. Many of these are down right untruthful . For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Its never spoken but up there to read. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. We just look for a biblical church to go to. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. Hope you have a great day! If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.